Comments on: Disaster Point: An Ominous Caving Experience http://theprofessionalhobo.com/2007/09/disaster-point-an-ominous-caving-experience/ Adventures of a Girl with No Fixed Address Fri, 12 Mar 2010 13:48:17 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: theprofessionalhobo http://theprofessionalhobo.com/2007/09/disaster-point-an-ominous-caving-experience/comment-page-1/#comment-9802 theprofessionalhobo Thu, 04 Mar 2010 09:58:14 +0000 http://theprofessionalhobo.com/2007/09/disaster-point-an-ominous-caving-experience/#comment-9802 @Caver1101 - I couldn't direct you to this cave if I tried...sorry! But I think it's well described in a great book on caves in the Rockies (you can get it at MEC and other outdoors stores)...I don't remember the name, but it has a black cover....hope this helps! @Caver1101 – I couldn’t direct you to this cave if I tried…sorry! But I think it’s well described in a great book on caves in the Rockies (you can get it at MEC and other outdoors stores)…I don’t remember the name, but it has a black cover….hope this helps!

]]> By: Caver1101 http://theprofessionalhobo.com/2007/09/disaster-point-an-ominous-caving-experience/comment-page-1/#comment-9761 Caver1101 Wed, 03 Mar 2010 09:09:33 +0000 http://theprofessionalhobo.com/2007/09/disaster-point-an-ominous-caving-experience/#comment-9761 What are the directions to get to this cave? I've done many caves in Alberta and can't seem to find any references to this on? What are the directions to get to this cave? I’ve done many caves in Alberta and can’t seem to find any references to this on?

]]> By: Q&A with “The Professional Hobo” « Philly Bored-er Patrol http://theprofessionalhobo.com/2007/09/disaster-point-an-ominous-caving-experience/comment-page-1/#comment-7213 Q&A with “The Professional Hobo” « Philly Bored-er Patrol Tue, 08 Dec 2009 18:08:15 +0000 http://theprofessionalhobo.com/2007/09/disaster-point-an-ominous-caving-experience/#comment-7213 [...] slid down a giant icicle 60 meters underground in an attempt to find the bottom of a cave. (LINK:http://theprofessionalhobo.com/2007/09/disaster-point-an-ominous-caving-experience/) Thankfully I was attached to a rope and climbed [...] [...] slid down a giant icicle 60 meters underground in an attempt to find the bottom of a cave. (LINK:http://theprofessionalhobo.com/2007/09/disaster-point-an-ominous-caving-experience/) Thankfully I was attached to a rope and climbed [...]

]]> By: Brent http://theprofessionalhobo.com/2007/09/disaster-point-an-ominous-caving-experience/comment-page-1/#comment-3082 Brent Mon, 04 May 2009 16:22:29 +0000 http://theprofessionalhobo.com/2007/09/disaster-point-an-ominous-caving-experience/#comment-3082 Good pictures. I was part of an group that explored these caves back in the 1990's. We got all the official stuff from the Park. I remember having to repell down that chute. I even have pictures of it. Good pictures. I was part of an group that explored these caves back in the 1990’s. We got all the official stuff from the Park. I remember having to repell down that chute. I even have pictures of it.

]]> By: Greg Warchol http://theprofessionalhobo.com/2007/09/disaster-point-an-ominous-caving-experience/comment-page-1/#comment-1567 Greg Warchol Sat, 04 Apr 2009 02:33:49 +0000 http://theprofessionalhobo.com/2007/09/disaster-point-an-ominous-caving-experience/#comment-1567 Some more cave information that you might not know about, but will be glade you did, contact them. They also know about local caving clubs and cavers you can get involved with. A bit of cave rescue training before you have any problems will go a long way, and might even help you prevent them in the first place. But since you never know when cave rescue training might be useful, you should get some sooner than later. Plus you get to meet all kinds of great cave people that you can go caving with all over the world! http://www.cancaver.ca/bccr/ You should take the weeklong seminar or one of the shorter ones. You'll be glade you did! http://www.cancaver.ca/bccr/BCCRtrain.htm Another good training option, NCRC http://www.caves.org/ncrc/national/ NSS http://www.caves.org/ 2009 NSS convention http://www.ics2009.us/nssconv.html International congress http://www.ics2009.us/ Re: Arctomys cave. It is my understanding that the cave is very cold ~1C, very wet, vertical cave and if you become immobile in this cave you stand a good chance of dieing! It unfortunately has already happen in this cave once. The rescue/body recovery was very expensive! There are also many exposed spots in the cave were one could fall if you slipped. And don’t forget about the Grisly bears in the area and trail to the entrance. I would not attempt this cave unless you have a few years of hard caving Experience under your belt and really understand what is needed to explore this cave in as safe a manner as possible. This cave will always have some level of risk. Remember a little knowledge is potentially dangerous. Cave Safe and Cave Softly! Greg Warchol Some more cave information that you might not know about, but will be glade you did, contact them. They also know about local caving clubs and cavers you can get involved with.

A bit of cave rescue training before you have any problems will go a long way, and might even help you prevent them in the first place. But since you never know when cave rescue training might be useful, you should get some sooner than later. Plus you get to meet all kinds of great cave people that you can go caving with all over the world!

http://www.cancaver.ca/bccr/
You should take the weeklong seminar or one of the shorter ones. You’ll be glade you did!
http://www.cancaver.ca/bccr/BCCRtrain.htm
Another good training option,
NCRC
http://www.caves.org/ncrc/national/
NSS
http://www.caves.org/
2009 NSS convention
http://www.ics2009.us/nssconv.html
International congress
http://www.ics2009.us/

Re: Arctomys cave.
It is my understanding that the cave is very cold ~1C, very wet, vertical cave and if you become immobile in this cave you stand a good chance of dieing! It unfortunately has already happen in this cave once. The rescue/body recovery was very expensive! There are also many exposed spots in the cave were one could fall if you slipped.
And don’t forget about the Grisly bears in the area and trail to the entrance.

I would not attempt this cave unless you have a few years of hard caving Experience under your belt and really understand what is needed to explore this cave in as safe a manner as possible. This cave will always have some level of risk.

Remember a little knowledge is potentially dangerous.

Cave Safe and Cave Softly!
Greg Warchol

]]> By: Jasper Warden Service http://theprofessionalhobo.com/2007/09/disaster-point-an-ominous-caving-experience/comment-page-1/#comment-154 Jasper Warden Service Mon, 07 Jul 2008 01:53:00 +0000 http://theprofessionalhobo.com/2007/09/disaster-point-an-ominous-caving-experience/#comment-154 A good bite of information that you might not have realized is that Caving in a National Park is a restricted activity and requires a permit. There is no cost for this permit. This allows parks to keep tabs on the cave use. Bonus to getting the permit is you can get good information on the crux of the climb and gear you might need to tackle it safely. The other bonus is if you don't report back parks knows where to look for you and you know a rescue party will be coming. A good bite of information that you might not have realized is that Caving in a National Park is a restricted activity and requires a permit. There is no cost for this permit. This allows parks to keep tabs on the cave use. Bonus to getting the permit is you can get good information on the crux of the climb and gear you might need to tackle it safely. The other bonus is if you don’t report back parks knows where to look for you and you know a rescue party will be coming.

]]> By: Luc F http://theprofessionalhobo.com/2007/09/disaster-point-an-ominous-caving-experience/comment-page-1/#comment-18 Luc F Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:17:00 +0000 http://theprofessionalhobo.com/2007/09/disaster-point-an-ominous-caving-experience/#comment-18 Nice report!<br/><br/>Brute strength is also not one of my "forte". I still wonder how I pulled that hercules mantel from hell!<br/><br/>LucF Nice report!

Brute strength is also not one of my “forte”. I still wonder how I pulled that hercules mantel from hell!

LucF

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